[LUGOS-SLO] Cocoa: Kako lokalizirati množinske oblike?

[Mojca Miklavec]

Živijo,

najprej en zelo velik hvala za povezavo na tisti gettext ...

On 10/11/07, Primoz PETERLIN wrote:
> Zdravo,
>
> Če bi pisala program samo za slovenščino, je shema naslednja:
>
> if (n % 100 == 1)
>     edninska oblika (npr. datoteka)
>  else if (n % 100 == 2)
>     dvojinska oblika (npr. datoteki)
>  else if ((n % 100 = = 3) || (n % 100 == 4))
>     1. množinska oblika (npr. datoteke)
>  else
>     2. množinska oblika (npr. datotek)

To mi je jasno, samo ...

> Če pa ga pripravljaš na lokalizacijo, pa je stvar na splošno bolj zapletena.
> Nekaj zgledov je navedenih v <
> http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Plural-forms.html>
>
> Lep pozdrav, Primož

Kako lokalizirati v primerih, ko program ni pisan z gettext-om?

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPInternational/BPInternational.pdf

Malo sem brskala po izvorni kodi programa:

	if (abbreviate) {
		//Note: after checking with a linguistics student, it appears that
we're fine leaving it as w, h, etc... rather than localizing.
		weeksString		= [NSString stringWithFormat: @"%iw",weeks];
		daysString		= [NSString stringWithFormat: @"%id",days];
		hoursString		= [NSString stringWithFormat: @"%ih",hours];
		minutesString	= [NSString stringWithFormat: @"%im",minutes];
		secondsString	= [NSString stringWithFormat: @"%.0fs",seconds];
	} else {
		weeksString		= (weeks == 1)		? ONE_WEEK		: [NSString
stringWithFormat:MULTIPLE_WEEKS, weeks];
		daysString		= (days == 1)		? ONE_DAY		: [NSString
stringWithFormat:MULTIPLE_DAYS, days];
		hoursString		= (hours == 1)		? ONE_HOUR		: [NSString
stringWithFormat:MULTIPLE_HOURS, hours];
		minutesString	= (minutes == 1)	? ONE_MINUTE	: [NSString
stringWithFormat:MULTIPLE_MINUTES, minutes];
		secondsString	= (seconds == 1)	? ONE_SECOND	: [NSString
stringWithFormat:MULTIPLE_SECONDS, seconds];
	}

Kjer je eden od primerkov:
#define MULTIPLE_SECONDS AILocalizedStringFromTableInBundle(@"%1.0lf
seconds", nil, [NSBundle bundleWithIdentifier:AIUTILITIES_BUNDLE_ID],
nil)

in potem ponovno spraševala avtorja, od kogar sem dobila tale
"pomirjujoči" odgovor:

In Cocoa, it's a very unelegant solution.  You simply have two
strings, such as "Online for 1 hour" and "Online for %i hours".  You
do a check in the code for how many hours there are, and if it's more
than 1 you use the second of those two strings which has the typical
plural formation.

That good stuff from gettext simply can't be done in Cocoa unless
using gettext.  Adium itself doesn't use gettext, though some of the
libraries such as libpurple do (so that's where you may have seen it
used in terms of Adium).  Cocoa doesn't provide for any sort of fuzzy
string matching, smart plural translations, or anything like that,
unfortunately.

... right now, they couldn't be used, but some other work in progress
(with a goal of getting Voice & Video chat in Adium, actually) would
make gettext code usable from other parts of Adium.  Once that's done,
the question would be worth revisiting as to whether we could use
ngettext or dngettext for strings with plurals like that.

It definitely would require at least some code rewriting and isn't
possible right now, but as I mentioned it might be in the future.  For
now, we'll have to deal with the non-optimal translations forced by
having one-or-many setups for translations, as many applications do...
but I'd be open to patches toward making translation better and would
be willing to look at it again at some point :)

---------

Torej bo treba na lepše in pravilnejše oblike še malo počakati ...

Hvala še enkrat,
    Mojca

> 10.10.07 je Mojca Miklavec < mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com> napisal/-a:
> >
> > Živijo,
> >
> > Programerja nekega Mac programčka (spisanega v Cocoi [se oproščam, ker
> > ne znam sklanjat]) sem vprašala, kako naj prevajam množinske oblike
> > samostalnikov oz. če bi se dalo program tako prilagoditi, da bi bilo
> > to možno. Odgovoril mi je sledeče:
> >
> > > Unfortunately, Cocoa doesn't have GNU gettext's ability to handle
> > > plurals and multiple-various plurals.... I don't know of any way to
> > > fix the numbering situation :(  I'm open to suggestions, though... GNU
> > > gettext's documentation even specifically mentions that if the output
> > > form is a Cocoa-style strings file, plurals aren't supported, which is
> > > consistent with that understanding.
> >
> > Ima kdo kakšno idejo? (Če bi Slovenec pisal program, bi najbrž napisal
> > nekaj if-stavkov - naj se potem tujci mučijo s prevajanjem enakih
> > nizov :)
> >
> > Hvala,
> >     Mojca