Patenti: Postponing the minutes of the council-meeting
Ales Kosir
ales.kosir at hermes.si
Sat May 29 08:07:46 CEST 2004
Vprasanje dokoncne pravne ureditve patentov morda se ni zakljuceno in lahko
s primerno pobudo preobrnemo zdajsnje neustrezno stanje. Berite malo daljse
nadaljevanje, kako to storiti.
Lep pozdrav,
Ales
-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Noschinski [mailto:lars at public.noschinski.de]
Sent: 28. maj 2004 17:52
To: ee-parl at ffii.org; lt-parl at ffii.org; lv-parl at ffii.org; cy-parl at ffii.org;
cz-parl at ffii.org; si-parl at ffii.org
Subject: [Si-parl] Postponing the minutes of the council-meeting
Hello!
Jan "Miernik" Macek (Poland) has initiated
http://kwiki.ffii.org/ConsReversEn
a project to get countries to reverse their vote on the meeting
18-05-2004. For this, example cases, where countries didn't sign the
minutes, are needed.
Details are in the attached mails.
CU, Lars Noschinski
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From: Jan 'Miernik' Macek <miernik at ctnet.pl>
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Subject: Council vote reversal working group list
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I set up a simple 'mailing list' (just an /etc/aliases line) of all=20
people involved somehow in this month's Council vote reveral attempt=20
emergency project, decribed on:
http://kwiki.ffii.org/ConsReversEn
To send mail to the group, send it to: consrevers at ctnet.pl
It's just for simpilicy not to have a looong Cc:, and not to post to=20
public mailing lists about this confidental stuff.
Currently in the group I put (in alphabetical order):
Aigars Mahinovs <aigarius at debian.org>
Alex Beregszaszi <alex at fsn.hu>
Bernhard Kaindl <bernhard.kaindl at gmx.de>
Christian Cornelssen <ccorn at cs.tu-berlin.de>
David GLAUDE <dglaudemailing at gmx.net>
Hartmut Pilch <phm at a2e.de>
Holger Blasum <holger at blasum.net>
James Heald <j.heald at ucl.ac.uk>
Jan 'Miernik' Macek <miernik at ctnet.pl>
J=C3=B3zef Halbersztadt <jothal at o2.pl>
Laura Creighton <lac at strakt.com>
=C5=81ukasz Jachowicz <honey at 7thGuard.net>
Magos=C3=A1nyi =C3=81rp=C3=A1d <mag at bunuel.tii.matav.hu>
VANDEWALLE Laurence <lvandewalle at europarl.eu.int>
W=C5=82adys=C5=82aw Majewski <wladek at majewski.pl>
Zdzis=C5=82aw A. Kaleta <sanskryt at o2.pl>
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If anyone doesn't wan't to participate in this, please mail me, and=20
I'll remove you. Also if you want to change your address.
If you feel someone else should or want's to participate in this tell=20
me, and I'll add.=20
best regards,=20
Jan Macek
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From: Jan 'Miernik' Macek <miernik at ctnet.pl>
To: consrevers at ctnet.pl
Subject: text of 2002/0047 (COD) adopted by Council on 20040518 released
officially
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The text of 2002/0047 (COD) adopted by Council on 20040518 released=20
officially here:
http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/04/st09/st09713.en04.pdf
Unofficial (manually patched) HTML here:
http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/europarl0309/cons0518/
As I understand our govrnements will be getting minutes now, or they=20
even already got them. This is the urgent time to make them aware that=20
they should not sign them (Poland, Hungary, maybe Latvia, Denmark, ...)
I propose to urge our govrnements (Poland, Hungary, maybe others) to=20
reject the minutes of the Council debate or at least amend them with a=20
clear statement of their real intention of vote, and complaint about=20
the problems below:
Some points we should raise:
1) The amendments voted on at the end differed substantially from the=20
ones that where known to govrnements just until half an before the=20
vote. The previous amendments here:
http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/europarl0309/cons0401/st09051/st09051.html
That didn't give our gornements enough time to study the text,=20
consult with lawyers and experts. This is the reason Poland didn't=20
vote at all after the break.
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2) The differences mentioned above where explicity noted by the=20
Italian and Danish representatives, but their requests to put the=20
missing sentences back where brutally put down by the Irish
3) The presidency pressed on the Danish to accept the proposal, while=20
the Council Rules of Procedure state that the Presidecy is neutral.
4) The presidency assumed that Qualified Majority has been reached,=20
even though they didn't ask BOTH Poland and Latvia, which where=20
both abstaining before the german fake amendments where introduced.
5) If Hungary would have coted as their Prime Minister and IT minister=20
ordered (abstain), then Poland's vote would matter alone (even if=20
Lativa would say 'yes'), hence the vote doesn't reflect the real=20
positions of involved countries, and must be repeated.=20
Today in Poland I'm proposing the ISOC-PL (Internet Society Poland) to=20
write an official letter/statement to be delivered tomorrow to our=20
three involved govrnement representatives:
Micha=C5=82 Kleiber, Grzegorz Bli=C5=BAniuk, Jaros=C5=82aw Pietras
The letter should describe all above points in more detail, in about=20
two or three pages, and should be a base to possible talks with them=20
this week. I will try to draft such letter in Polish in the following=20
hours, any comments, things to add - please urgently submit here.
best regards,=20
Jan Macek
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From: Jan Macek <miernik at ctnet.pl>
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Subject: Council Rules of Procedure
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The documents which someone asked me on private about, but should be=20
useful for everyone:
http://www.msa.lt/doc/council_guides_vol_1.pdf
http://www.msa.lt/doc/council_guides_vol_2.pdf
http://www.msa.lt/doc/council_guides_vol_3.pdf
http://www.msa.lt/doc/council_guides_vol_4.pdf
Besides that I've added these people to the list, based on suggestions=20
sent me in private:
Erik Josefsson <ehj at cleosan.com>
Piotr VaGla Waglowski <vagla at vagla.pl>
Rickart Rasteck <phobie at axfr.org>
Spela Kraner <predsednik at lugos.si>
Peeter Russak <pezz at tkwcy.ee>
Saulius Grazulis <grazulis at ibt.lt>
Thierry Coutelier <Thierry.Coutelier at linux.lu>
Dieter Uytvanck <dietvu at village.uunet.be>
Jonas Maebe <jonas.maebe at ugent.be>
If anybody of them doesn't want to participate in this, tell me, and=20
I'll take you off.
I've set Replyt-To: and Mail-Followup-To: headers to point to the list=20
now, but of course only on my mail, on mail sent by anyone else you=20
have to care about that on your own.
best regards,=20
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From: Jan 'Miernik' Macek <miernik at ctnet.pl>
To: Council vote reversal working group <consrevers at ctnet.pl>
Subject: URGENT: we need examples of contries not signing minutes now
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We need examples of contries not signing Council minutes, or any=20
canses with doing anything useful in this matter just after Council=20
secretary sends out minutes.=20
This is needed in Poland ASAP, best tonight, latest tomorrow, friday=20
morning. Otherwise they won't do anything, and later it will be too=20
late.
Call to anyone who might know.=20
Second thing: has someone read in the Council rules, exactly how much=20
time have countries to sing/not-sign/protest minutes after sending=20
them out from Council?
And have the minutes been sent out already?
best regards,=20
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Subject: Re: URGENT: we need examples of contries not signing minutes now
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On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 10:18:57PM +0200, Jan 'Miernik' Macek wrote:
> We need examples of contries not signing Council minutes, or any
> canses with doing anything useful in this matter just after Council
> secretary sends out minutes.
>
> This is needed in Poland ASAP, best tonight, latest tomorrow, friday
> morning. Otherwise they won't do anything, and later it will be too
> late.
>
> Call to anyone who might know.
I contacted everyone I know that might have some info about this.
Tomorrow I will also call some people in Tilburg, they have a EU
department over there:
http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/services/library/staff/sic.html#europeseunie
http://drcwww.kub.nl/dbi/instructie/eu/en/T0.htm
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From: Jan 'Miernik' Macek <miernik at ctnet.pl>
To: Council vote reversal working group <consrevers at ctnet.pl>
Subject: CRP - Article 13 "Minutes"
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CRP =3D Council Rules of Procedure
The CRP which are at the end of
http://www.msa.lt/doc/council_guides_vol_2.pdf
starting on Page 55 (page 64 in Xpdf) are obsolete now.=20
The CRP above was adopted 2000-06-05 was replaced twice since then,=20
2002-07-22 and 2004-03-22:
http://www.europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2002/l_230/l_23020020828en00=
070026.pdf
http://www.europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2004/l_106/l_10620040415en00=
220045.pdf
The last URL is the current version.=20
Page 8 in Xpdf (this part didn't change since 2000):
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Article 13 "Minutes"
2. The draft minutes shall be drawn up by the General Secretariat=20
within 15 days and submitted to the Council or to Coreper for=20
approval.
3. Prior to such approval any member of the Council, or the=20
Commission, may request that more details be inserted in the=20
minutes regarding any item on the agenda. These requests may be=20
made in Coreper.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The 15 days end in 6 days, Wednesday, 2004 June 2.=20
We should point the gov's of Hungary and Poland to use this Article 13=20
point 3. to insert more details, about the 5 points I described in my=20
first mail on this subject yesterday.=20
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